Who are we?
We create journeys with intention and heart — from tailor-made experiences for couples, families, and solo travelers, to small-group adventures that seek beauty in culture, nature, art, science, and human connection.
I see traveling as a portal to personal and shared understanding... and you?
We believe in journeys that wake you, move you, and nurture you.
We believe in authenticity, humor, and collaboration.
TOE, Travel or Else
is legally a business unit of Conversa Creativa, a boutique consulting firm with 13 years of experience in sustainability and international cooperation in Mexico and Central America.
A touch of history
Before TOE, I spent two decades moving through forests, coasts, community kitchens, and international offices — working in sustainability, agriculture, and cooperation across Mexico and Central America.
It was there that I realized the simultaneity of beauty, people and territory. There is always a point where complexity meets wonder.
I gravitate towards art, food, landscapes, streets, power dynamics and the stories that shape identity.